ive noticed in a lot of 6p games Tyrell players do not take the Reach, allowing baratheon to consolidate power uncontested. This usually leads to bara taking the reach and blackwater, with unraidable support in kingslanding.

why do people not take the reach?

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I am going to need examples if you want a smart answer.
Generally, Tyrell should never take it round 1, but only after muster comes or clash +tuen to CP* (not enough units otherwise).
Otherwise, Tyrell might agree to give TR away for help against Martel or diplomatic help against GJ.
Otherwise, a mistake

i wholeheartedly disagree. Tyrell must take the reach turn 1 to be viable. its a needed check on baratheon.

see here, the winner of the council tourney, tyrell, took reach turn 1
https://game.thronemaster.net/?review=1&game=81312

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Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey

tyrell has a duty to keep marty and bara in check. maybe im just stuck in my 1st ed 5p ways...

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Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey

One game proofs nothing.when you take our top tourney as sample then you need to check the flow if every game and how it developed.

Also what is the trade off?
Do you want to consolidate power early on or hope for an early muster?

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Reach in turn 1 is an interesting opening for Tyrell. It is bad for Tyrell because Tyrell is better of going to Arbor and taking Power faster which gives much higher winning chances to Tyrell. And it is even worse for Baratheon.

So ArchDemon is right. Taking Reach turn 1 is a mistake. Bad for Tyrell, bad for Bara. Giving an advantage to other 4 houses. EDIT - rather 3 houses because Tyrell in Reach is also annoying for Lanni.

It is not Baratheon Tyrell should be worried about. It is survival in early phase and taking power which is a priority for Tyrell.

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I think Tyrell made a mistake in the game you ahowed but he got lucky.
Muster rarely comes round 1, but since it did come, taking TR was good

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It could be right for Tyrell to take TR if Baratheon goes for KL in turn 1. However, this is a suboptimal gamble by Baratheon, and it definitely breeds animosity. Generally not preferable R1.

Reach in turn 1 is an interesting opening for Tyrell. It is bad for Tyrell because Tyrell is better of going to Arbor and taking Power faster which gives much higher winning chances to Tyrell. And it is even worse for Baratheon.
but tyrell can consolidate in dornish turn 1, id hardly say they are power starved.if they go for arbor, they are never going to accumulate as much power as baratheon can, uncontested, from kingslanding, kingswood, and dragonstone. i feel they are far better off preventing bara from accumulating that power.

and if bara strikes the reach early in hostility, good. easier to convince the other houses to crush him. perfect scenario for stark. i love when im stark and bara gets entangled in a land struggle, makes it easier for me to invade shipbreaker and all that comes with it

****also huge disclaimer here that i should have said from the get go, i NEVER play with second edition orders, so consolidate muster is not a thing in my games, so bara always takes kl in turn one. does this change anyone's thoughts? because i understand in most 2nd ed games bara will almost always play special cp in dragonstone turn 1.

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Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey

One game proofs nothing.when you take our top tourney as sample then you need to check the flow if every game and how it developed.
have i got a bad case of confirmation bias

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You should stop making  posts at once

Feel free to use the edit button.

I agree with Cornie and Arch here. Oldtown is a must and Tyrell wont be able top do anything without a clash anyways.

If he goes for the Reach in round 2, he cant make any use from it in round 2. He cant consolidate and he has nowhere to go since he lacks backup to go against Lannister  and attacking Bara at this point doesnt make any sense either.

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You should stop making  posts at once
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Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey

Usually I don't take reach (sometimes do, just for a change). Problem though is, if you don't take it quickly, another faction will think it's theirs as it's empty, and take it. Once that happens it might be hard to kick them out, and bara might be tempted to push forward to highgarden, locking tyrell and bara in an inopportune war.

If you find yourself closed in on land, with lanny in searoad and bara in reach, it can be very hard to ever establish some presence on land. I know most good tyrel players will try to win over seas anyway, going after grejoy, but this is not always possible.

So sometimes I take either reach or searoad (searoad if gj fights lanny) first turn, so I have more options to expand on land.

Tyrell taking reach turn 1 is a bit of a mistake, in my personal opinion. Tyrell should be looking to consolidate power and build up in the early stages of the game in alignment with their house words, “Growing Strong”. My typical first turn move with Tyrell is to consolidate on DM, march on boat, and march knight to Oldtown and footman to the Arbor. The sooner you are making money/mustering(if the event decks allow), the sooner you are relevant and can start pushing out.

As I see, many of you move a footman to the Arbor, which I also like to do occasionally. But I want to point out that this leaves you even more vulnerable to a round 2 naval assault by Martell. So if Martell seems to be aggressive, but relations to baratheon are good, it may be better to go to the Reach and put a support there in round 2.

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Last game I played Tyrell, Martell made pretty clear he was going to attack me.
So I moved the knight to oldtown and attacked martell's footman in starfall with my footman. Bit of a rash move, but I don't like to be passively led to the slaughter bank.

I killed the footman with garlan, he doranned me on fiefdoms. From there I had good position to quickly move further into dorne, while martell could play one less order token next turn (which slows him down).

I think there was mustering + clash of kings in turn 2 though, so I couldn't get more fortunate.

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