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macca
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Jun-06 07:18

I've come to the same conclusion. Tyrell's fate is heavily determined by round 2 Westeros cards...but so is Martell's. Martell can easily drop to the bottom of all 3 tracks if a Clash takes place round 2. As Martell typically moves his lone footman from the Salt Shore and leaves a power token, and Tyrell consolidates in DM; Tyrell enters a Clash with an extra 3 tokens than Martell (and usually as many as any other player).

So between either a Mustering Card or Clash card, it all evens out.

Peaches
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Jun-06 11:39

What we all need is second edition cards. Despite all disadvantages Tyrell house has, in 2nd ed Loras and Mace are much much stronger cards, providing that Mace kills the footman, and Loras states that if battle is won you may move your march order and resolve it later, AGAIN. I honestly cant wait for 2nd ed cards!

Seems legit.

CrispyNinja
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Jun-06 18:48

Yes, I agree with Peaches.

The reason that there seems to be a great imbalance with the going setup is that the moderators of the site ***BLESS THEM*** can only integrate and program things at a certain speed. We cannot forget that the 2nd edition of the game has different cards for every house. These cannot be ignored.

I think that you will find Tyrell, among other houses, are much more balanced in a 6 player game when the 2nd ed. cards are added.

ajmyk
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Jul-08 12:16

I agree Tyrell has very good cards in 2nd editions.

With Loras, they can put on a raid and go any time from 5 castle to 7.

that's a massive advantage.

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jamie
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Jul-16 06:30

I agree Tyrell has very good cards in 2nd editions.

With Loras, they can put on a raid and go any time from 5 castle to 7.

that's a massive advantage.
martell has even better cards if u ask me....

Doran is the single most devastating card out there and arrainne is sucha great defensive card

First Sword of Braavos
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Aug-26 11:50

...Second Edition Cards... I prefer 1st edition.

balon and victarian are better than loras mace and doran cards, robb stark is worse but roose makes it to where you never use him anyway. Sure three swords on gregor is cool but balon already kicked your ass and you used Tywin wrong. Damn! Patchface is awesome and arrienne is whatever. Tyrion.... What use is Tyrion? If you fight someone on their last card do that draw from any or draw none. We draw none and he's nothing compared to balon...

...Second Edition Cards will ruin your night... Unless your greyjoy..

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First Sword of Braavos
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Aug-26 11:54

Anyways, about the boat thing. It should be an option. That's all, because if your at the bottom of the win ratio, and every players worst house it's unbalanced. I didn't say least favorite. I said worst.

Unless you play first edition rules. Maybe it's just bad luck for me but I have never played with someone who liked that I chose first edition consolidates and raids. Not a single player... Some of you guys on this forum and that's it. I've played with Jamie... He likes second edition raid/consolidate.

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Opacus
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Aug-26 15:51

Tyrion.... What use is Tyrion? If you fight someone on their last card do that draw from any or draw none. We draw none and he's nothing compared to balon...
Can actually be pretty useful if they saved a powerful card for last. In one of my games Baratheon was in harrenhal and attacking me at Riverrun, I only had Tyrion left and he had Davos. By using tyrion and denying him the extra strength of a card he lost and I was able to win by taking white harbor on the next turn.

Eddard makes more sense to me in V2 than 1. You don't really want to play tower cards when you believe you'll win. I agree that Balon is a little ridiculous in the second edition, he should've been a 1 at most. But overall I like the second edition cards better.

First Sword of Braavos
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Aug-27 10:18

Opacus if you only had tyrion left it was baratheons own fault for using Davos... He should have known the score. I have not yet won with tyrions ability. Especially against greyjoy who has balon, victarian, euron and theon on defense is no punk either... Tyrion is lame. If you took whiteharbor with house lannister you won playing two mediocre players. One who doesn't know the cards and another who can't hold his lands.

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tworiverstabac
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Nov-27 05:03

if martell commits to early to fighting tyrell bara can crush him

Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey

klarkclan
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Nov-27 11:32

Don't mean to intrude on the discussion on house cards' being overpowered for Greyjoy or Tyrell. The question of whether the house cards are balance seem pointless if you don't consider the existence of siege engine, an over aggressive greyjoy will be badly hit on the counter by lannister given the surrounding contested area has the most stronghold and castle in the game.

Personally I think the first edition cards are really poorly designed compared to the 2nd, especially the overpowered Arienne and sheer stupidity of having two forts on Eddard Stark.

JM Grip
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Nov-27 11:59

[...]
The question of whether the house cards are balance seem pointless if you don't consider the existence of siege engine[...]
1st Edition House Cards were designed long before Siege Engines even existed.
While I am implementing the 2nd Edition cards I come to the conclusion that those are much more powerful and imbalanced without Siege Engines.

- What do we say to New Features? Not Today.

mrzygi
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Nov-27 12:49

I do not agree with 1st editin cards being poorly designed. they were created for different game set up.

Personally I have many doubts concenrning GJ 2ed cards. Victarion with 3 and adding 2 for each supporting and attacking ship, Balon with 2. Seems to me like Lannister situation change from poor to hopeless.

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klarkclan
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Nov-27 13:23

Well it's a matter of preference but I do believe in first edition martell's arianne does give martell the chance to inflict alot of pain on tyrell for first edition if the mustering or clash of kings don't come up on the first two turns, being unable to muster units and lack of valyrian steel advantage. Perhaps the solution is to replace the first edition Arianne card with the second edition.

As for 2nd edition only if Greyjoy takes and hold both golden sound and riverrun only then lannister can be completely dominated. If Greyjoy does that and mustering doesn't come up he will have already expense at least 3 of his best card. Leaving him open to retaliation from Lannister.

If mustering does comes up on first turn, you can expect both tyrell and Starks to come after greyjoy. Unless you are playing with an inexperience play group

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BranisStannis
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Topic: Balancing Tyrell
Posted: 2014-Dec-09 01:03

Well I thing the first editions cards are not the biggest cause of imbalance in the game. Tyrell is the weakest team since it has a poor starting set up on the tracks and also the toughest team for areal expansion limiting the changes to win an even balanced game on round 10.

Well having two towers for Eddard is good for the game since it would be boring if all the decks would be similar and simple to play like Greyjoys deck. Also Stark are on default the best teams to play with, so giving them better cards would serve no purpose on the old setting.

Well for the 2nd editions cards I thing the greyjoy cards are way too powerful compared to lannisters helping them to get naval supremacy and thus eliminate lannisters. Besides I have disliking for the Queen of Thorns and Doran Martell cards making bidding and setting orders more irrelevant.

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