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Patrek Harlow
One Of The Kingsguard

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Member since: 2019-Feb-09

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Sep-09 20:54
First off, is this the best forum for posting KM questions?

As to my specific case, I'm getting hopelessly crushed in a 3p game (Unrated).  I've tried to survive and fight as well as possible, but my situation is so bleak, the only issue is which of my opponents will win.  It's round 8, and anything I do will affect one or both players.  I presented my situation to the other players for comment, but I also wanted to throw it out to impartial observers.  If you want to weigh in, see the game below.  I'm Stark, and I'm planning on taking out the Lannister SEs.

https://www.game.thronemaster.net/?game=208545
Patrek Harlow
One Of The Kingsguard

Posts: 42
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Member since: 2019-Feb-09

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Sep-09 21:09
I looked again, and I'm definitely not going to take out the SEs.  That would hand the game to Lanni.  I think I can take Winterfell back without kingmaking.
Harakon
Grandmaester of Reports

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Member since: 2014-Aug-24

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Sep-09 22:05
If two players are able to win in this round you are allowed to retake castles you lost previously


Necrarch
Knight of Ni

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Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Sep-09 22:46
The fact is that in your position, if you don't want to lose your march in Moat Cailin, you are pretty much forced to use it against either in Winterfell or Greywater Watch.

Well, the Bara position is so strong that in the end he should win, except if Lanni steals it before... had he inverted between M0 and M-1 and it would be quite over (M0 Eyrie, M-1 Riverrun).


ElPopelos
Keeper of the Forbidden Wilds

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Member since: 2013-Feb-01

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Sep-10 00:52
Last rounds are special. As a rule of thumb, your priority should read like this:


1) Dont gift castles to other players for free (like playing a worse card, retreating your troops, stuff like that).
2) if you can choose between multiple options, you should always try to find the one that gives you the best placement (as long as it doesnt contradict 1). e.g. giving up a castle so a player can win preemptively, so you wont lose any more castles and end in a  better position is Kingmkaing).
3) If you cant imporve your position, you should then try to interfere as less as possible in deciding the winner. eg. supporting the attacking player is not allowed,but helping the defender is.
4) if you want to get offensive, you can retake castles you have previously lost or if you declare revenge for mean backstabs and stuff like that (there has to be a strong reason though!). You are allowed to retake castles or otherwise players might take your castles without being afraid of your counterattack.


tldr: Try to not interfere in the winning process, but when you do, make sure that you are either getting an advantage out of this or to reclaim your belongings.


Now, for your specific game:

Your position is super dire so thank you for not giving up! Now to your possibilities:

1) Attacking GW with both Knights would leave MC empty allowing LAnnister to take MC and WH --> Kingmaking!
2) Anything else that doesnt involve emptying MC is fine. Emptying it would force lannister to move a unit in there, making it easy for bara to win the game.

My opinion: Whatever you do, you will always hurt Lannister more than Bara. Its up to you if you want to let them battle this out alone by just doing nothing or if you want to interfere, for example by reclaiming WF. Just make sure that this doesnt mean that bara can simply take 2 castles at once or something like that.


Beornegar
Battle Commander

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Member since: 2016-Aug-11

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Oct-01 20:28
I will use this thread, I would like some opinions before I act in my game. I'm Tyrell.
Round 9, GJ is at 6 castles. Siege and knight on RR, Lanni with one knight on HH and two on BW. Lanni is ahead of GJ in IT track and has the Blade.
Instead of def on HH and support on BW, he puts march on both areas, marching first out of HH, leaving it empty for GJ to take.
I act before GJ. Lanni tells me I have to attack from SM to Lannisport  (GJ) and QoT GJ on Riverrun.
That is completely against my plans, I was planning to Loras either Bara or Marty and gain atleast one or two castles more before end.
I think that is not allowed by the rules, it might be if Lanni would have
Beornegar
Battle Commander

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Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Oct-01 20:31
talked about his plans in advance. Now he just got lucky that I had march in SM, otherwise he would have lost easily to GJ, kingmaking him.

Can I apply kingmaking rule 5.2b in this case, or do I really have to ruin my game just because losing player didn't even try to defend and stop GJ?
Ser Joseph
Warden Of The North

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Member since: 2018-Oct-22

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Oct-01 20:46
Hi I am the Lannister in question and this is not me KM at all when the Greyjoy is unstoppable.

I couldn't defend HH. THe Greyjoy can simply march to Searoad marches and win the battle against the tyrell which will reset his cards and have Balon to defend Moat and march to HH and get 7. I moved out because I tried to win a castle somewhere else before the obvious ending.

Also, Tyrell you never helped even tho I asked and  you refused to raid him when I whispered to you.

I didn't care about that game but technically the only way to stop GJ is with QOT. Next round we might still have a chance. So if we apply the rules, Tyrell is the real KM here. Personally, I don't care but calling me a kingmaker is not right when I clearly can't defend against him and the ONLY THING that can stop the GJ is a QOT. Even if I played support and defense it was over. In that case, I applied the rule to decide who win the most points in the standing.

Ser Joseph
Ser Joseph
Warden Of The North

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Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Oct-01 21:43
Wow, so I was penalized of KM in under less than 5 minutes of report.

That is completely wrong. I could not have defended the castle. Did you even see the orders and the board ?

The Greyjoy will win that turn UNLESS Tyrell used QOT. This game was radio silence whenever I whispered to the players to help yet I am expected to expect them to help me and coordinate something.

Let me show you the orders :

I played defense and support. I have 7 + 4 (Lannister) + sword = 12.

I can't kill him at RR because I had 1 knight.

Greyjoy march to Searoad marches, win the battle and RESET all his cards.

He defends with Euron at Moat Cailin ONLY IF STARK ATTACK but he's been radio silence the whole game despite me asking for help.

March form Pyke to RR and have 2 sieges + 1 knight + 1 + 4 (Euron) = 15 or even 13 with Balon.

How did I KM when it was obvious he would of won against me in HH ? I simply tried to get more castles or prevent someone that backstabbed me to get castles.

The only person that can stop GJ by himself from winning is Tyrell yet I'm the one who get punished because I want to gain more castles or preventing peopel from getting more castle on an obvious win UNLESS one player act.

I am kind of in shock that the judge couldn't saw this and called me a KM before even analyzing the game. This community is all about White KNight and jumping in conclusion. The reports are insulting and the penalties are even more insulting. As Tyrell said, he planned to attack Martel instead of helping yet I am the one who need to stood there waiting to end with 0 castle.

A lot of people in this community are good people but most of the rest are shits. Calling you KM for ANY REASONS that not going in your plan especially the experienced players.

I'm done.

Ser Joseph
Necrarch
Knight of Ni

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Member since: 2019-Feb-01

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Oct-01 22:30
Ser Joseph, I am not part of that story but I believe going angry as you do does not help.

Remember that judges are people, they can do mistakes (don't say it is or not!). I think there is an option to appeal, you probably should do that.

All the best to all.


ElPopelos
Keeper of the Forbidden Wilds

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Member since: 2013-Feb-01

Topic: Kingmaking scenario. Please advise
Posted: 2019-Oct-04 20:39
Hi Ser Joseph,

if you feel like you are wrongly punished, yu can always apply for a review of your case to any ne of the Council Members.
The appeal might take some time since in case of a reappeal, multiple Judges have to take a look into your case.

Besides that, Necrarch found the right words: Mistakes can happen, but pointing fingers at a Judge anc accusing him of something is surely not helping your case.

I can assure you, that the quality within our Council is VERY high and that we have a lot of ways to make sure that no Judge can abuse his powers.



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