I am playing Tyrell, Martell has 3 ships in ESS and March+1 into WSS.

All I can do is play +1 Def, I will lose and probably lose the whole game from there.

Assume that Martell refuses all offers of peace or alliances - because this happens.

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You could get it back, often after a couple of rounds when clash came. If Martell comes for you round 2, it means he wont be able to farm tokens much and Tyrell almost always does that.

But yes, at first there isn't much you can do and you could have some bad luck and never be able to get it back, then you should just make his life as hard as possible.

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You should also try and convince bara to turn on  martell. In many cases he has a lot more to gain if he sails south than if he allies up with martell and fights you on land.

Bringing your knight or a footman into martells core lands early on (eg taking starfall in turn 1 or marching via dornish in turn 2) can make life hard for martell. He often needs to muster even more ships from sunspear in turn 2 if he comes after you and therefor does not have many land troops to defend himself. Also land troops in the the dornish heartland allow you to remove naval support via queen of thornes and thereby open up a way to get back your sea or allow bara to start a southern Invasion in one of the upcoming turns.

It is not a pleasant situation, but do not despair and fight back

Some pieces of advice:1.Prey for good luck--I'm not joking!if no clash or mustering happens early enough,there is great possibility for you to be wiped out of map.if no mustering happens on turn 3,Martell can defeat you in redwyne straights and take old town,which means you have lost the game.
2.Expand on land instead.If there's no way for you to take back your sea(defense on west summer sea and support on east summer)try to take the boneway and princes path and hold redwyne  straights at least.Then you will build up a firm support in dornish marches.As you have Mace and Martell mustered mostly ships,it is possible way for you to survive.
3.Ask for help from Bara/GJ.Try to persuade GJ to put a support on sunset sea to help you take back your sea.Just a support from GJ may help you a lot later.Or try to persuade bara to help--but bara might go north or he may be busy with Lanni.Usually bara doesnt want to invade Dorne because blackwater and the narrow sea are much more appealing to him--espeicially when he's allied with Martell.

Some pieces of advice:1.Prey for good luck--I'm not joking!if no clash or mustering happens early enough,there is great possibility for you to be wiped out of map.if no mustering happens on turn 3,Martell can defeat you in redwyne straights and take old town,which means you have lost the game.
2.Expand on land instead.If there's no way for you to take back your sea(defense on west summer sea and support on east summer)try to take the boneway and princes path and hold redwyne  straights at least.Then you will build up a firm support in dornish marches.As you have Mace and Martell mustered mostly ships,it is possible way for you to survive.
3.Ask for help from Bara/GJ.Try to persuade GJ to put a support on sunset sea to help you take back your sea.Just a support from GJ may help you a lot later.Or try to persuade bara to help--but bara might go north or he may be busy with Lanni.Usually bara doesnt want to invade Dorne because blackwater and the narrow sea are much more appealing to him--espeicially when he's allied with Martell.
Yeah I found help from Greyjoy in Sunset Sea was huge in getting back West Summer Sea.

While we're here, I wanna ask how best to use Tyrell cards? I know it's possible to use Loras multiple turns, but I've never managed to pull it off - usually because of Arianne.

Am I right in thinking combat is best avoided in the early game?

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Save loras until you almost shuffled your deck but not use him as your last card.

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Also, you don't have to fight Martell all the time.  Patchface and Tyrion also provide more limited blockers to him, but Greyjoy's got nothing to stop you, particularly if you can grab the Valyrian steel blade.  I've seen Loras sail through Sunset Sea and Ironman Bay, and then march through Pyke and Flint's Finger on the same turn.

Tyrell is hard to play, though. They start off in by far the weakest position and don't have good enough supply options to field the armies they need to be competitive without some kind of help.