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why not

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2/3

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Anyone 3p live?

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3p live up.. with active host

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Still one more

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3 more to 6 live

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Could anyone make live 6p? I would like to join

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Publius
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 08:51
I was involved in a game yesterday, in which the title stated "3P 1,5live than PBEM Fast!". After 45 minutes, in the 6th round of the game, the host announced in the chat "guys im switching to pBEM". He then immediately switched the game, without waiting for a response from the other two players.

When I spoke to him via private messaging I told him that what he did was not cool and an abuse of his MoT rights. He told me that since it was 1.5 hours since he created the game lobby there was nothing wrong with what he did. I reminded him his title suggests we play for 1.5 hours live, then switch. It does not suggest 1.5 hours from the time of the game creation. This is ongoing.

Besides this one most recent instance, I have noticed other incidents too, both as a player in the game and as a spectator. There has been more than one occasion where the host is in a bad position and doesn't want to play anymore, and he/she switches to pbem whether or not everyone agrees.

I wonder if the host player is perhaps given too much power when it comes to the ability to switch to pbem. While most MoTs are reasonable and will only switch when everyone agrees, there are some who abuse their position as host.

Perhaps we need to look at this issue and consider some solutions. One possibility could be to set a timer when creating the game. It can be 3 hours for example, and in the title of the game it should be stated that it will switch to pbem in 3 hours. Once it reaches 3 hours, players could have the option to vote to continue, if all agree then it continues, if one doesn't it switches.

Or perhaps a /votepbem function?

Any ideas about how to combat this unfortunate behaviour?


Lannie85
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 09:11
Only correct thing to do is report it, if he keeps abusing his power and keeps getting reported we'll take his rights for an x-amount of time.


Publius
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 10:04
Ok I will file a report, and will do so if this situation arises in the future also.

Im still a bit concerned though about how the host has the sole power to switch a game to pbem. I thought it was said that once a game begins, the host has no more rights than any other player, though this is not strictly true. Clearly his ability to switch to pbem on a whim is problematic?


Lannie85
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 10:15
We have strict requirements concerning MoT's and need to take responsibility for their games. If the power gets abused, we revoke their rights. If they keep abusing it after they get them back, there's also a possibility to revoke the rights forever.

Switching the game to pbem has to be done by someone right? Voting for it just isn't convenient imho.


Publius
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 10:28
Fair enough.

Yes in most cases it's a formality and letting the host switch it makes sense. A vote could work because in a live game everyone is present to participate and it can be quick, although maybe a player who is losing will vote against continuing, or someone who doesn't have as much time as the others etc.

Just wondering about ways to avoid so many spoiled games. Will do as you say and report it when i see it.


Lannie85
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 10:48
It will always be somewhat problematic I guess. If you vote, there's also a chance you wont get a majority and you get stuck in a live game, since afaik only hostless games turn pbem after 25 minutes of inactivity.

I also like the hierarchy the MoT status (and super MoT status) brings, you get the feeling the game is guided by someone.


Publius
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Topic: Abuse of MoT rights regarding switching to PBEM
Posted: 2018-May-11 12:54
afaik only hostless games turn pbem after 25 minutes of inactivity.
Interesting, I thought it was the case with any game.

I agree with you regarding MoTs and them providing 'guidance'. Aside from these minor flaws I think it's a system that works well.



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