Ah, so that's really well implemented then? And what would happen if the routed FM was alone

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Then he would die before the winner of the fight is determined

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Good to know, thanks

Nice, thanks for the info.

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In this game [1] I was attacked by Martell round 2 (no muster, no clash) with 3 ships and regular march vs my 1 ship with defense. I was sure he would never play the Viper and went for Mace Tyrell to win against anything. Up till round 4 there is still no muster/no clash. So my question: How much card power do you invest as Tyrell to keep Martel out of your Sea in such a case? I am still not sure how I feel about my decision.

[1] https://game.thronemaster.net/?game=262855&review=1

Tom I think its a case of playing the odds. Your playing of Mace bought you an extra turn for muster/clash to come up. It didn't this game but I think someone else here could tell you the odds of it happening on turn 3 if it doesn't on turn 2.

It's OK to commit a high card to a 'lost' battle if you're saying OK I'm happy to lose to my opponents 3 or 4. Against tyrell I am always happy to bait out loras for example.

You always have to consider the wider board state though.

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That's a "known problem" for Tyrell, not much that you can do, apart from being aggressive on lands while you get burnt on sea. Turn 2, with your KN, you might have wanted to go Starfall instead of 3 Towers.

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To be more precise: do you think I wasted Mace on Sea while I could have utilized his full potential on land for say Starfall? Is that on average the better route?

Hmmm...I think you made a gamble whereby you weren't fully aware of the pros/cons so in that regard bad because it a) didn't pay off and b) it wasn't a conscious choice.

You were facing the dreaded no muster no clash tyrell opening. Mace bought you an extra turn for the westeros cards to help you but on this occasion you weren't lucky.

It's not a bad move in a vacuum but one you should play as part of a deeper plan.

For example if it's turn 3 or even 4 and no muster/clash has come up the move gets better because there is a higher chance of clash/muster coming up.

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I dunno, buying an extra turn is huge no matter what. Trading a 4 card for a 2 is not good, but it's a lot better than losing WSS, imo.

That's what I was wondering about and if you guys disagree that shows how tough the decision is. The cards never came in my favour, but Baratheon helped me out and didn't manage to close the game himself. Now in turn 9 I'm almost in the same situation again: https://game.thronemaster.net/?game=262855

I have some small hopes that I can finish 2nd.

One thing I've come to realize over time is that Tyrell is the house who benefits the most from holding the Iron Throne. Or rather, they enjoy all the benefits that come with it (breaking ties, protecting their CP and supports with preemptive raids), but have ways to avoid the major drawback of your opponents having the last march of the round.  Between Loras's potential to add one, and QOT 's to remove one from the opposition without needing to reach the area holding the march or win her battle, you have options to allow you to march both first and last in a turn.


Beyond that, I have found a surprising amount of success sailing all the way to the great white North, when conditions are favorable.  It generally requires swooping into a GJ/Lanni war to bail out whichever party is on the ropes. The losing party is not going to say no to letting you hold on to Sunset Sea if it gives them a shot at locking down Golden/Ironman, and their gratitude should hold until they have fully eliminated their opponent.  It will likely take them a few turns even with your help, on top of which, if they've been hard pressed they are likely to weak on track positions and too broke to reach a position of real strength even if an inopportune Clash should arise.

Meanwhile, Stark is often not on guard against a green crusade, and Bay of Ice is not very easy to take back once lost. And their deck provides none of the protections against the special threats that QOT and Loras pose that Martell, Lannister and Baratheon cards can muster. It's not easy to build the bridge all the way across the board, but once you do, you can roll through the entire North faster than you'd think.

Not something you can really plan for from the start of the game, but when the conditions are right (basically meaning that both Lanni/GJ and Martell/Bara are warring with each other), it's a ton of fun.

I agree. It is very situational, but something to keep in mind.

I actually won with Tyrell in that fashion a few times.

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Had a similar game to Tom above. No clash/muster until t5 and martell pounced. Despite calling a martell bluff with mace and buying an extra turn I couldn't do anything.

This leads me to believe it is 'proper play' for Baratheon to 'rear end' Martell if they take wss. Failure to do so allows martell too strong a position.

One possible method for tyrell to avoid this fate could be to offer martell shipbreaker bay by use of Queen of Thorns. Such an offer is hard to pass up and once martell rushes Baratheon, you rush martell. Hopefully they've already used a few of their dangerous cards.

Even if martell doesn't give you an opening and holds shipbreaker you have survived the early game which again, if no muster/clash until t4~5 is in no way guaranteed.

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