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ned1
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Aug-23 23:39

Hi, we just finished playing the game "Tywin's End". And the end of the game, I, Lannister, had 3 strongholds and two castles. Stark had one stronghold and four castles. how did I lose? I had more strongholds than he did for the tiebreaker.

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Lannie85
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Aug-24 00:22

The size of castles doesnt matter, its equal amount of castles so first supply counts, then cp's and then highest on throne. Correct me if im wrong but i believe thats the rule.

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derBleede
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Aug-24 00:28

you are right lannie

ned1
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Aug-24 05:23

That's really not fair at all. There was no supply card for 2 rounds and the game just ends like that? Why do we have to play by first edition rules just because we have 4 players?

ElPopelos
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Aug-24 06:35

Its the only winning condition we have here.
Making a difference between Strongholds ad castles would imbalance the game.

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ned1
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 02:34

I'd also like to argue that making strongholds worth more wouldn't imbalance the game. Strongholds produce more units and are more likely to be better defended than a castle. That's why the board game rule book has set it up that way. That's much more fair a tiebreaker than the last time a supply card was drawn.

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BDLT56
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 02:55

ElPopelos,
  Is it that the number of strongholds for tie breaker hasn't been implemented yet, or that for balancing purposes that function hasn't (and won't) be implemented?
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BDLT56
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 05:13

Context to my previous comment, the stronghold tie breaker is a rule in second edition games, breaking ties before Supply. In first edition, it just goes straight to Supply.

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Peaches
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 08:39

Yeah, but here's the deal. IF the strongholds are the tiebreaker - Stark and Martell would never win the game through that tiebreak. Let say Bara, Stark and Martell are tied: Stark with 4 - Moat, WH, Eyrie and WF: Martell - YW, SE, SS and Starfall; Bara - Dragonstone, KL, CCP and Reach. Unlikely situation, but possible to happen. Baratheon will always win no matter the supply. I do feel it is much more balanced this way!

EDIT: supply way I meant.

Last edited by Peaches on 2014-Nov-20 08:44, edited 1x in total

Seems legit.

ned1
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 15:28

I see what you're saying but the flaw in that argument is that those 4 castles for Stark and Martell are in their natural areas of control. Baratheon has to go out of his way to take and hold The Reach, a difficult task. Cracklaw point is also more vulnerable to a Stark invasion than any Stark castle would be. Therefore it would be fair to give Baratheon the win in that situation.

JM Grip
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 15:38

It's an asymmetric map which makes it imba when strongholds count more.
In addtion, it encourages players to go for the big ones. Games will get a bit more predictable and boring.
Each rule has its pros and contras. In this case I abuse my god rights here.

maybe an optional rule in the future...

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ElPopelos
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 15:42

Also, statistics dont lie and when you take a look at Martells Winrate its clear that heeds some kind of buffs.
However, we can safely assume that introducing that rule would rather be a nerf than a buff for Martell.

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ned1
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Topic: How did I lose?
Posted: 2014-Nov-20 15:52

Fair enough.

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