What is the most times possible for Wildlings to attack in a game?


Note: Game of Thrones the boardgame - 2nd edition

Rule for Wildlings Attack to occur: Either by drawing the Wildlings Attack card from the westeros deck III; or by hittin 12 strength

Note: It is possible that wildlings attack twice during one Westeros Phase by hittin 12 on the Wildlings attack strength and drawing a Wildling Attack card from the westeros deck III. (though this is only possible if Wildlings strength is at 8 entering the round's westeros phase)



So the Wildlings start at strength 2 in Round 1,

And can possibly advance by 6 in one Westeros Phase by hittin Wildling Symbol on each of the three westeros cards;

but the Wildlings Attack card from westeros deck III does Not have a wildling symbol;

And there is a Preemptive Raid wildling card;

And the holder of the Messanger Raven is able to move the top card to the bottom of the wildling deck;


So there comes up another question: How many times can 1 specific wildling attack card be drawn during a game?

Last edited by Santa Maria on 2022-Nov-20 20:25, edited 4x in total

Is it in the "by the rule" version, i.e. with the "12" triggering wildlings question, or on this site ?

Case 1 - TM rules with no trigger at 12

This is quite easy : there are only 3 Wildlings attack cards, and deck 3 is never shuffled. Preemptive does generate a second attack so max is 4 attacks per game. As Raven holder(s) can remove the card 10 times in 10 turns, they can remove 10 cards (i.e. as much as a whole deck) in total. Preemptive can come back, so generating 15 cards viewed at least once.

The answer in this case therefore is twice, and with at least 6 wildlings cards discarded (which is highly unlikely : most raven users prefer knowing than not knowing).

Case 2 - Trigger at 12 implemented

It's wayyyyy more complex.

There are 3 cards in deck 1 and 2 that can add +2 Wildling strength. But the Winter is Coming card exists so you can always have a +2 W card in decks 1 and 2. As for Deck 3, there are 5 cards adding +2 W out of 10, without cycle.

So, the total W strength accumulated at max for a game is :
9 (no turn 1) x2 for deck 1 = 18
same for 2 = 18
5x2 for deck 3 = 10
Total 46 + 2 at start = 48.
Let's suppose they always win (with that frequency that COULD happen and erase everyone from the surface of Westeros !) so every time they drop at 6, that would be divided in 48 = 12 + 6x6 => 7 wildlings triggered due to reaching 12.

Add to that the Wildling cards (especially if they magically trigger when value on track is at lowest!... probably not happening so may need to remove 1, but does not change the overall result) => 3 more triggers.

So 10 triggers.
And 10 removes from Raven = 20 cards.
Every 10 wildling cards you can have a preemptive adding 1 trigger and 1 card seen. With 20 cards above if you always actively reveal that one you can add 3 more... so...


Total : 13 triggers max, 23 cards seen max. Each card can be seen 3 times.

Addendum :
So many triggers are unlikely and most raven users prefer keeping what they see, as knowledge is power. So for strategic point of view, you should definitely assume that each card is a one-time only.

Last edited by Necrarch on 2022-Nov-20 21:40, edited 1x in total

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Case 2 - Trigger at 12 implemented.
+ Yes I mean with trigger at 12

Observed an inaccuracy:
By the rules when the wildlings are victorious they only drop 2 positions back so they drop by 4 (not 6), (if the wildlings attack with strength 12 and are victorious then they drop back to 8)

Also if Wildlings Attack card is drawn from westeros deck III, beacuse it does not have a wildling symbol, in that westeros phase the wildlings can advance only by 4

Last edited by Santa Maria on 2022-Nov-21 10:11, edited 1x in total

Indeed. I am a bit busy to remake calculations...

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