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If they don't controll any castles/strongholds and have units, then they still participate in bidding

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Danno
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 20:05

Just had this come up in a game....Should Mace Tyrell's "immediately" kill a footman card power get prevented by the Blackfish's power to prevent all casualties?

The game resolved the interaction by killing the Stark footman...is this intended?

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Bruno Rivers
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 20:42

I think blackfish prevents the loss, because mace "ability" is prevented by the card, as it is said.

The FFG errata doesn't say anything. Maybe bacause it's not a commom issue.

Anyone disagrees?

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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 20:56

If you want a fun discussion, look here

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/813756/2-questions-mace-tyrell-vs-blackfish-and-doran-mar

No conclusion, but my opinion fits that Blackfish should be treated first and thus cancels the kill. Not 100% sure, but seems to fit how cards generally work.

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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 21:01

Ahha. Already read that.

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derBleede
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 21:56

"You do not take casualities in his battle from house card abilities [...]"

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chubako
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 22:11

Well, in my group of friends, we always explain this rule this way:

Mace tyrell is the only card that has an ability which kills a unit
Blackfish's card ability can't be clearer that Stark takes no casualty from house card ability.
Therefore, if Mace Tyrell could kill a Stark footman thanks to his ability, a portion of the Blackfish would mean nothing, and FFG rules are never there for nothing.
Hence the Blackfish stops Mace tyrell's ability.

Also, one could argue that Mace ability is time dependant (dependant on track order to resolve conflict) as the Blackfish ability is absolute as long as the card is in play. Once again, the blackish still protects from Mace.

In conclusion, the blackfish should protect stark's footman from Mace.

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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-04 22:26

Mace tyrell is the only card that has an ability which kills a unit
Blackfish's card ability can't be clearer that Stark takes no casualty from house card ability.
Therefore, if Mace Tyrell could kill a Stark footman thanks to his ability, a portion of the Blackfish would mean nothing, and FFG rules are never there for nothing.
Hence the Blackfish stops Mace tyrell's ability.
I follow that argument. Sounds logic.

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ordo909
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 04:18

I have always played that Blackfish would cancel Mace. It specifically states "You do not take casualties in this combat from house card abilities...." It couldn't be any more clear than that.

JM Grip
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 08:04

Looks like I should add this case to the implementation of the game...

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Nezrael
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 10:36

You could argue about the definition of casualties here, as they are generally only calculated at the end of combat, and just occur for the losing player.
Mace's ability however is resolved before the outcome of a battle is determined and affects the oponent even if he eventuelly wins anyway.

Therefore, if Mace Tyrell could kill a Stark footman thanks to his ability, a portion of the Blackfish would mean nothing, and FFG rules are never there for nothing. The wording also could have been chosen to be as clear as possible for possible interactions with Cards from upcoming expansions, so I wouldn't neccessarily call it "there for nothing".

That said, I find this way of interpreting the situation comprehensible, but pretty nitpicky and unintuitive, so I would probably have the Blackfish save that footman.

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Harakon
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 11:59

Well if Blakfish would not counter Mace, then why not give the Blackfish 3 Towericons. The most swords on a card are on Gregor Clegane and then you "to not take casualties in this combat".
It is very specific about "Housecard" abilties.

The "exact" wording in german(translated): You dont loose units in this battle through housecard abilities, swordicons or tide of battle.
You dont loose units in this fight, end of story.

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JM Grip
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 12:10

You dont loose units in this fight, end of story.
Except by supply while retreating...

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Nezrael
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 12:17

You dont loose units in this fight, end of story.
Except by supply while retreating...

or routed units...
or siege engines...

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Harakon
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Topic: Mace vs. Blackfish
Posted: 2015-Jun-05 14:46

Since retreat is after the fight my statement is still right

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